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	<title>Comments on: Rubens’s Masterful &#8220;Triumph of the Eucharist&#8221; Series to be Conserved</title>
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		<title>By: Annelisa Stephan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/rubens-masterful-triumph-of-the-eucharist-series-to-be-conserved/#comment-803941</link>
		<dc:creator>Annelisa Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ron,

I&#039;m afraid we don&#039;t know this story, though you might try contacting Cleveland directly. Might you be referring to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clevelandart.org/art/1916.1037&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rubens&#039;s &quot;The Triumph of the Church&quot;&lt;/a&gt;? It is in the collection of Cleveland Museum of Art, and believed to be by a follower of Rubens. Like many successful artists, Rubens maintained a robust workshop, and many works in which he had a hand may have been made by pupils.

There are several reasons why this painting (or indeed any artwork at any museum) might not be on view during a given visit. Museums routinely lend one another artworks, which requires them to be temporarily away from their normal homes. Sometimes works are temporarily removed from a gallery to be photographed, or studied and conserved, or even moved to a new gallery or exhibition within the same museum. And indeed, sometimes museums deaccession works (sell or donate them). There are many reasons for this; perhaps a work lies outside a museum&#039;s core collecting area, or is judged to be of secondary importance. As you note, attributions change over time. What is once thought to be a Raphael is revealed, upon further study, to be by a follower or student (and vice versa, of course). Scholarship changes.

As a side note, due to the large scope of many collections, museum front-line staff may not know individual objects in sufficient depth to answer questions about their whereabouts.

You can do more of your own sleuthing by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clevelandart.org/art/collection/search&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;searching Cleveland&#039;s collection online here&lt;/a&gt;. Good luck finding the answer to your mystery!

-Annelisa/Iris editor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ron,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid we don&#8217;t know this story, though you might try contacting Cleveland directly. Might you be referring to <a href="http://www.clevelandart.org/art/1916.1037" rel="nofollow">Rubens&#8217;s &#8220;The Triumph of the Church&#8221;</a>? It is in the collection of Cleveland Museum of Art, and believed to be by a follower of Rubens. Like many successful artists, Rubens maintained a robust workshop, and many works in which he had a hand may have been made by pupils.</p>
<p>There are several reasons why this painting (or indeed any artwork at any museum) might not be on view during a given visit. Museums routinely lend one another artworks, which requires them to be temporarily away from their normal homes. Sometimes works are temporarily removed from a gallery to be photographed, or studied and conserved, or even moved to a new gallery or exhibition within the same museum. And indeed, sometimes museums deaccession works (sell or donate them). There are many reasons for this; perhaps a work lies outside a museum&#8217;s core collecting area, or is judged to be of secondary importance. As you note, attributions change over time. What is once thought to be a Raphael is revealed, upon further study, to be by a follower or student (and vice versa, of course). Scholarship changes.</p>
<p>As a side note, due to the large scope of many collections, museum front-line staff may not know individual objects in sufficient depth to answer questions about their whereabouts.</p>
<p>You can do more of your own sleuthing by <a href="http://www.clevelandart.org/art/collection/search" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">searching Cleveland&#8217;s collection online here</a>. Good luck finding the answer to your mystery!</p>
<p>-Annelisa/Iris editor</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Fellows, CM. LTA</title>
		<link>http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/rubens-masterful-triumph-of-the-eucharist-series-to-be-conserved/#comment-802551</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Fellows, CM. LTA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My childhood and lifelong favorite painting was Rubens: Triumph of the Holy Sacrament over Ignorance and Superstition (as I recall), at the Cleveland Art Museum.  I returned to Cleveland after many years - the painting was gone - and no one knew anything about it.   I found a little old lady at the Terminal Tower who said that this wonderful painting was found to be a fake, at a cost of $1M and was removed. This raises two questions: where is the painting now, and are we collectors of art - or signatures?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My childhood and lifelong favorite painting was Rubens: Triumph of the Holy Sacrament over Ignorance and Superstition (as I recall), at the Cleveland Art Museum.  I returned to Cleveland after many years &#8211; the painting was gone &#8211; and no one knew anything about it.   I found a little old lady at the Terminal Tower who said that this wonderful painting was found to be a fake, at a cost of $1M and was removed. This raises two questions: where is the painting now, and are we collectors of art &#8211; or signatures?</p>
<p>Please respond.</p>
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